The Top 10 Conclusions from Stoke 2-2 Wolves
1) If you can meet with triumph and disaster, and treat those two impostors just the same…”disaster” is maybe something of an exaggeration in describing yesterday’s result, but the point is that we shouldn’t overreact to the disappointment of two dropped points at home in a winnable game, just as we shouldn’t get carried away with a brilliant win at White Hart Lane last week. It’s football. It happens.
2) That said, the second half display was probably the worst home performance from Stoke since their promotion to the Premier League. Everybody has a bad day at the office now and again, so hopefully we can just put this down as a blip and move on. What was worrying was the distinctly un-Pulis like complacency we showed. Having coasted the first half we assumed it was job done and switched off. The final 45 minutes saw Stoke second to every ball and lackadaisical in their approach. There was no sense of urgency, our passing was atrocious and Sorensen and Delap actually seemed to be wasting time with the score at 2-2. The one thing you can say with any certainty about the teams Tony Pulis puts out, and the thing that has made me proud to be a Stoke fan during his tenure, is that you can expect total, 100% commitment from the first whistle to the last. The complacency shown in what is the nearest thing to a local derby we have these days needs to be nipped in the bud pronto, and hopefully Pulis will waste no time in kicking some backsides and stamping it out.
3) Wolves have nothing to worry about, they’ll be fine. Mick McCarthy is a good manager and seems a thoroughly decent human being to boot. His decision to replace Castillo with Milijas changed the game. Wolves reminded me of Stoke last season - they lack quality in a few key areas but make up for it with their physical style and complete commitment - ironically something that Stoke themselves were lacking yesterday. They looked slow and defensively naïve in the first half, but then rolled up their sleeves and, spurred by a terrific away following, set about salvaging the game, while easily dealing with our feeble offence. Ultimately, Wolves can probably feel entitled to be disappointed with just one point for their efforts, so total was their second half superiority. Full credit to them.
4) From a Stoke perspective, this was purely the Matthew Etherington show. Etherington was head and shoulders above anyone else in red and white stripes. After a poor start to the season, he’s shown steady improvement and on Saturday he turned in the performance he’s been threatening for a while. Every time Stoke looked dangerous, Etherington was pulling the strings. The erstwhile West Ham winger demonstrated a turn of pace which hasn’t always been evident during his stint at Stoke, and during the second half, when his team mates were throwing in the towel, he was the one player who remained a danger to Wolves, digging the ball out, beating his man and looking to create something. His strong run and excellent ball across the box created the first goal and his sublime volley was as good a finish as we’ve seen at the Britannia Stadium. Etherington has fully justified TP’s faith in him and finally seems to be making that left wing berth his own.
5) I’ve always been a huge fan of Mama Sidibe. I’ve defended him over the years when footballing thickos slated his lack of goals and were too blind to see how important he was to the style of play that got us promoted. Football however, is a ruthless business, and the truth is that Mama, as vital as he has been to our system in the past, is a limited footballer and we’ve moved on from having to rely on him. This season, we’ve shown a willingness to mix up our style of play, to try and keep the ball on the deck more and improve our ball retention. The presence of Mama in the team is an obstacle to this evolution. As we saw during his second half cameo yesterday, the second that Sidibe enters the fray, we immediately resolve to repeatedly lump it up to him. That’s why the transparent haste in which Mama has been rushed back is worrying. Do we really plan to revert to the reliance on route one and Mama’s flick-ons? Does Pulis see Mama as a regular starter again? He clearly isn’t currently fit, and against a well-prepared Wolves he didn’t even win much in the air, which is usually his great strength. What must Dave Kitson think, having knuckled down, found some form and made himself one of the club’s top performers this season, to find himself first harshly dropped and then not even on the bench yesterday. It’s a cause for concern and it will be grimly fascinating to see how the situation plays out.
6) Abdoulaye Faye had an absolute shocker. Even during the first half, he was a t sixes and sevens, frequently out of position. During the second half it became even more noticeable, and Danny Collins was continually forced to move into the centre to cover for his errant captain. Faye hasn’t shone so far this season to anything like the extent he did last year in cleaning up at the player of the year awards. Whether it’s a lack of fitness, or complacency, he just doesn’t seem as sharp. Stoke’s defending was generally poor on Saturday as the amateurish marking, regardless of offside controversies, for Wolves’ goals showed. Given the importance TP attaches to set pieces, there’s just no excuse for giving away two such goals so cheaply.
7) Speaking of Collins, the myth that he is a better passer of the ball than Danny Higginbotham persists in spite of there being very little evidence to support it. Collins passed the ball intelligently at Spurs but against Wolves he was back to his careless worst, needlessly ceding possession with sloppy, thoughtless balls in dangerous areas.
8) After distinguishing himself last week with a brave display at WHL, Dean Whitehead reverted to type with another performance of staggering anonymity. You could be forgiven for not realising he was on the pitch, so minimal was his contribution. Whitehead simply doesn’t impose himself on the game in any way, shape or form. He can’t pass, rarely tackles…yes, he runs around a lot but to what effect? I was never a fan of Karl Henry during his Stoke career and his little whinge in the week about not being played was unjustified given his distinct mediocrity at the time. However, his industrious, lively showing for Wolves at the Brit was in a different league to three-quarters of Stoke’s midfield yesterday.
9) Rory Delap worked very hard, as he always does, and we finally squeezed a bit more mileage out of the throw with Etherington’s goal, but he is a fish out of water on the right flank. He simply has none of the attributes that make for a productive right sided midfielder. Why Liam Lawrence - the best crosser of a ball at the club and one of the hardest workers - has been dropped is a mystery. What, in TP’s mind, gives Delap the edge over Lawrence?
10) Tuncay, as one or two have noted, is the new Patrik Berger. A player of world class skill and invention who Tony Pulis has simply no idea how to utilise. The introductions of Mama and Tuncay actually weakened Stoke yesterday, because we were effectively left without a striker. Ricardo Fuller had been well shackled all afternoon, but as long as he’s on the pitch, Stoke are in with a chance. Tuncay’s eagerness to get hold of the ball left Stoke with nobody to capitalise in the danger zone. Both he and Sidibe were trying to play in “the hole” with the result that we didn’t remotely threaten the Wolves defence.
So where to play Tuncay? Two solutions present themselves - either up front, with the taller, stronger Fuller just behind - or as part of a five man midfield with two workhorses - say, Diao and Delap - doing the dirty work and allowing the Turk to push forward. Either strategy is probably too radical, however, for a manager reluctant to deviate from the tried and tested formula which has served us so well up to now. This raises the question of why Sanli was signed in the first place. Every game in which Tuncay’s enormous talent is misused, or not used at all, makes the decision to spend a not insignificant £6m on him all the more bewildering
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Measured report. You're
Measured report. You're welcome to the struggle in the Greed League.
Fizzy Pop League is far more fun for me.
Kitson and Tuncay
Both of the above have serious reason to stick two fingers up to TP and walk out, and who would blame them?
i agree about kitson and tuncay
kitson was out to prove himself this season.never even made the bench what all that about?
Another good post,
Another good post, Chief_Delilah. The retention of Delap over Lawrence is the biggest conunundrum delivered by TP, but how Tuncay is going to be used and why Kitson was dropped are up there with it in the puzzlement stakes.
Sidibe
1) Waste of space
2) Worst managerial decision ever to bring that donkey on. Can't get my head around the fact that he came on before Tuncay and was on the bench in place of Kitson.
3) Not surprised Beattie was annoyed to be subbed for him. I can't think of anything more embarrassing.
4) Any fan who actually rates this guy doesn't know what their talking about. He's got nothing about him. No pace, no skill, no goalscoring ability. He's a big oaf who can't even hold up the ball.
Aside from that, duriing the game the only players i felt who performed were Beattie, Wilko, Shawcross and Ethers. Delaps throws were too low, Whelan never got into the game, Fuller was frustrated up front, etc.
Anyway, totally disgusted by the second half performance and poor managerial decisions.
Sidibe's got to go.. he should never play for Stoke again. I'm lost for words to describe just how poor he really is and those fans who defend him just get on my nerves.
Decisions
Whats more annoying is that any fan knows what decisions TP should be making.
Our midfield was tired and we conceded two goals so i know what, i'll sub our strikers then bring on a new winger with 5 minutes left.
Plus, we played for a draw. How long does Sorensen want to take for each goal kick.
Kitson
TP is going round the twist! I thought Kitson was in form and should not have been dropped for Beatie but to drop him for Mama Sidonkey the guy must wonder what he has to do.
I hope Big Mama's boy will at best only play in the carling cup for stoke - next season.
Decisions
Overall, I am very suprised at the criticism of TP.
Seriously, we have the best manager we could possbily have. I am not saying he is the best manager out there, but for our Club, given our resources etc. he really is.
I do not agree with all the decisions TP makes, but no one over agrees with every decision made by their Team's manager. I live and work in Mcr and the number of people moaning about Alex Ferguson's decisions (even after massive wins) is unbeleivable.
However, overall, along with Macari, he is the best manager I have experienced at Stoke (and I can remember back to Alan Durban!!). Try and remember the amount of decisons we could not understand with the likes of Richie Barker or Joe Jordan or Brian Little. If you can remember this you should realise that TP's decisions are not (on the whole) all that bizaar!
Regarding the decisions made on Saturday; I agree that Sidibe has had his day and is no longer good enough for a team striving to compete in the Premier League. However, Dave Kitson is no better. He may be trying more now, but he has zero talent or ability. If you every watch him warming up, he cannot even control the ball with no presure on him. So, I am personally not alarmed about him being left out.
The Lawrence absence is the one the continues to baffle me. I can only assume he has some kind of injury, otherwise he surely must start.
The 2nd half performance was well and truely rubbish, but the same happened in the West Ham game, where we totallylost control in the midfield. We just got away with it that one time.
The two highlights for me were; 1) the defense performance of Wilko. That is the best I have seen him play. 2) the attacking performance of Etherington. He is a class above the other players, I just hope we keep hold of him.
Mcr
Mcr, I totally share your feelings on TP and will be forever grateful to him for what he's done for our club. However, that does not make him beyond criticism. He deserves the credit when he gets it right, so must take the flak when he gets it wrong.
I also think you're being incredibly harsh on Kitson, who has looked one of Stoke's best players this season when he's started and had done nothing to warrant being dropped. He's an infinitely better footballer than Mama.
Kitson
I cannot believe that Dave Kitson is being compared to Sidibe as Kitson is actually our top scorer this season despite being dropped at every opportunity. TP definitely has his favourites that he plays in form or not
Team formation
Can anybody tell me why at home, against opposition we should beat we did not go out to win the game with an attcking formation?
We should have used a midfield diamond with Etherington on the left and Lawrence on the right with Tuncay behind Kitson and Fuller with Delap/whitehead playing the holding player in midfield.
Surely we have got to try using Tuncay and these are the games to fit him into our side from the start not instead of Fullerbut as well as.
dean whitehead
is dean whitehead the worst stoke player ever the guy never touches the ball im 46 and i would get more tackles in we are playing with 10 men i just dont know why he plays or what tp sees in him
wolves !!! =[
No way should there first goal have been aloud
it was miles of side
stoke should of easily won
no doubt about it
confusing team selections
I am as are a lot of fans confused at TP's selections - results do speak for themselves but do they show the real picture - we are not scoring enough goals especially from the front men. If we look at where our goals are coming from this term it's pretty much a team affair which in some ways is good but but we need to look like we can score from the front and for me at the moment we don't. We have dropped Kitson who just seemed to be finding his feet, we have a player in Tuncay who can make things happen especially if say he's played just behind a front two pairing of Fuller/kitson or Fuller /Beattie at home and possibly a lone striker at tougher away games. Defensively Stoke are sound , but in midfield and up front questions have to be asked - why is Lawrence on the subs bench - our right sided answer to matty on the left - the inclusion of diao I can agree with as he is a good holding midfielder in front of the back line giving Tuncay the opportunity to play in the hole behind that front two pairing. It beggers belief when we have options such as these and what do we do - rush back big mama when he's no where near premiership fit and to be frank is an impact sub at best to change our style of play if the game isn't going our way - What must the likes of Tuncay and kitson be thinking. It is also possible for any future transfer targets of pedigree to look at us and see we don't want to evole as a team so not even entertain us as a move.It may be that TP has a bigger picture to look and all will workout perfect after all he,s done us proud so far..............up the potters
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